Morrowind talk:Ancestral Tombs

Redundancy

Are the descriptions on this page really necessary? In all but a few cases, they're completely redundant. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that "Alan Ancestral Tomb" = "The Ancestral Tomb of the Alan family". It's just a redundant waste of space, I think. Maybe if the description said something a little more informative, like "Populated by undead", "Home to Aundae clan vampires", or "Location of the Ring of Phynaster", it might make sense. But otherwise, it just makes the page twice as long as it needs to be... --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:41, 8 November 2006 (EST)

I agree with RealLurock that descriptions on this particular page are unnecessary. But still, on every tomb page when you complete the summary it is required for a description. So I suggest to transfer descriptions from this page directly to the location pages. --Monkeystyle 16:02, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

I agree, and if I'm not mistaken, there is a template like the {{Quest Link}} for places. Is it {{Places Link}}? --DrPhoton 03:57, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Links

I think that links to this article are missing from the tomb's descriptions. Would anyone mind if I add them? --Kertaw48 21:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

skyrim update

As skyrim came out, new member are added. There are only 3 family i have updated, hlaalu, Ienith, Sarethi, the introduction need to be written again. but i don't know how not to include spolier, adminitrator help is wanted(Vvardfell 05:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC))

I'd suggest that you think this through a bit, think of a way to do this and come back when you think of something. This is a big and unrewarding project and shouldn't be started without a precise and thorough plan. -- kertaw48 10:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

A problem with the current version of the family member sections is, that it suddenly makes the events of Morrowind the past, while the rest of the article treats it as the present. Mentioning the Skyrim members in the Notes section instead, could fix this somewhat. What would be some of the Oblivion examples mentioned ? --Alfwyn 12:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think this belongs in Morrowind namespace at all. Perhaps an article in Lore space listing all of the Dunmer families and their appearances in each of the games would make more sense. But saying that there are X surviving members of a given family in a Morrowind article when some of them are from Skyrim, which is set so far in the future that any of those listed in Morrowind are probably long dead (particularly after the destruction of Vvardenfell) just looks weird. I might start a Lore:Dunmer Families article to document this. It makes far more sense than putting it on Morrowind place pages. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 13:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Skyrim definitely made this more difficult for us. There aren't that many reappearing Dunmer families anyway, so until a page like "Lore:Dunmer Families" (although I think Genealogy might be a bit better) is created, I think the addition of new members should be continued, for an easier copy/paste transition later on. One thing is certain: this is information that should not be deleted or omitted from UESP. -- kertaw48 13:59, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Personally I'm not even sure that the information is encyclopedic at all. It's just about name coincidences. Who is to say that they are really from the same family branch related to the tomb? Not all the "Smith's" in america are from the same family either. We already have Lore:Dunmer_Names#Dunmer_Family_Names, this could perhaps be expanded to link to the actual individuals somehow. --Alfwyn 14:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

"Genealogy" doesn't really make sense, unless you can prove family connections (so-and-so was the son of so-and-so, etc.) I'd go with either Dunmer Families or perhaps Dunmer Clans, though I'm not sure if that fits with the lore. At any rate, I've drawn up a list already, but the problem is culling it to just what's significant. Taking all Dunmer family names into account, you have a total of 766 families, the vast majority of which only appear once. (Also, that pretty much does what the Lore:Dunmer Names page does already.) So, eliminating all the once-only's, along with those only seen on tombs, you've still got 228 families. My instinct is to use only those with 3 or more, which gets you down to 138, possibly including those with only 2 appearances but in different games, which would add 9 more. Or we could limit to ONLY names which have appeared in multiple games, regardless of frequency, which gives us just 61. That does seem fitting for the Lore space, but it leaves out such names as Andrano (13 occurrences but only in Morrowind) and Andrethi (11 MW occurrences), as well as quite a few with 5 or more appearances but only in one game. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 14:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

(←) Like I said before, this is gonna be a big and unrewarding project. If anyone is really up to see it to the end, go right ahead. Personally, I'd just leave it the way it is, possibly with the intro in the Family Members section cut out altogether or not referencing the later happenings, just listing the NPCs from Skyrim and Oblivion. -- kertaw48 14:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Just for checking, the release of Dawnguard and Hearthfire didn't cause update for the tomb. (Vvardfell 12:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC))

dragonborn

As dragonborn came out, the majority of population in Solstheim is dunmer. Many tomb's pages here need to be updated. But we not yet solve the promble of I mentioned in the previous topic. I have try to do it the same way on the page for Llervu family, but I just feel like it need to be solved. Discussion need to be open up again(Vvardfell (talk) 10:43, 13 December 2012 (GMT))